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Post by Angler Armory Admin on Sept 20, 2011 14:36:02 GMT -5
Just saw a person on Facebook state that charter services that offer a "No Fish, No Pay" policy are all scam artists. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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Post by baitman on Sept 20, 2011 15:02:17 GMT -5
I think that is a load of crap to put it nicely. Any Charter fisherman worth a damn can get people on the fish. They might have to go to several spots to get them, but I think the idea that people don't have to pay if they don't catch fish is a great way to gain confidence in potential customers.
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Post by scfishingfrenzy on Sept 20, 2011 15:39:22 GMT -5
No charter business should guarantee fish. So if a customer catches a small bait fish, does that null & void the guarantee? Come on, fishing takes skill, but NO ONE can guarantee that they are absolutely gonna catch keepable fish! Make sure you read the fine print if you take one of these guaranteed fishing charters!
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Post by highflying on Sept 20, 2011 16:18:43 GMT -5
Scam artists...hell yes! They make us honest, truthful, hardworking charter fishermen have to work that much harder to bring in business because we have to explain to would be customers why guaranteeing fish just isn't reality! People love a deal, but don't realize that in the long run they will lose out!
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Post by captainronb on Sept 20, 2011 18:57:07 GMT -5
If a charter service is up front with what they deem to be "catching a fish" then I see nothing wrong with it. Meaning, we guarantee you to catch a certain species like snapper or a certain size of fish, etc. I think it's a great way to advertise & bring people to your charter. Hey, times are tough. As long as you are honest with customers, more power to you.
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Post by fintasticinc on Sept 20, 2011 20:13:37 GMT -5
Scam artists...hell yes! They make us honest, truthful, hardworking charter fishermen have to work that much harder to bring in business because we have to explain to would be customers why guaranteeing fish just isn't reality! People love a deal, but don't realize that in the long run they will lose out! I'm not sure where you are from but your statement is a completely false. I have been offering NO fish No pay trips for over 14 years and have not had one trip not pay yet. I take a lot of pride in what I chose to do for a living and have taken my skills to the point of being a professional, which means never having to say they just didn't bite today or trying to blame slow fishing on a moon phase or some garbage like that. I have been in this business for over 15 years and have loved every second of it. Sure no one smokes the fish every trip but if you are charging people for a fishing trip and you fail to do your job then not only should you give them their money back but you should sell the boat and get a different job. If I was a plumber and you paid me to fix a leaking pipe, and after I was done the pipe was still leaking, do you think you should pay me,,,,, nope. Let me also say that I am using my area as an example, and areas do differ as well as species. My guarantee is if you book a full day trip and catch NO LEGAL Grouper your trip is FREE. Ill do you one better, and Ill stand behind this,, If you book a full day trip and catch No legal Grouper not only will your trip be free but Ill give you 100.00 bucks to go buy some. NO Scam, No fine print, No BS. There it is. I have started making these guarantees because all of the part time captains starting their own little charter business's on the side of their real jobs in my area will run their trips for much cheaper than the full time charter operations, because they run 7 miles offshore fishing local reefs and wrecks with nothing but junk fish on them. We had to separate our business from them and make sure the people know they will be catching the fish they are paying for and not just another boat ride offshore. |
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Post by mmh27 on Sept 21, 2011 20:17:13 GMT -5
I 100% agree with fintasticinc! Part timers need not apply  |
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Post by macattack on Oct 8, 2011 17:07:32 GMT -5
Scam artists...hell yes! They make us honest, truthful, hardworking charter fishermen have to work that much harder to bring in business because we have to explain to would be customers why guaranteeing fish just isn't reality! People love a deal, but don't realize that in the long run they will lose out! I think for those that posted comments such as the above just aren't secure with their own fishing ability to be able to guarantee a no fish, no pay policy.  If you are a good charter captain, you'd have more confidence in your ability to get your customers on the fish. |
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Post by harrythomas on Oct 24, 2011 11:21:52 GMT -5
If a charter captain is confident in his ability to get the customer on the fish, then more power to them. Let them make the guarantee. It's their necks on the line if they don't deliver.
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Post by captchrism on Dec 9, 2011 8:52:37 GMT -5
There are plenty of no fish no pay gyuides here. Lot's of fine print. We sight fish the flats. many people do not have the casting skills to sight fish. The NFNP guides have them sit on the coller while the guide fishes, hooks the fish, and hands off the rod. That is not the client fishing. I find most people would rather try themselves. A guide could never guarantee people they can cast to an dcatch fish themselves. Therefore, we would have to sit and bait fish. I cannot guarantee any fish would bite a bait, live or dead. I can guarantee I can take them to a place fish should be, have quality equipment and professional demeanor. I cannot gurantee or predict the behavior of a wild animal. Sure, I can guaratee I can get you "a fish" but it would not be from sight fishing the flats.
The no fish no pay deal usually turns out to be either the guide fishing or a promise of a free trip another time. Anyone who can guarantee they can have someone sight fish a redfish on the flats, I have a whole list of cutomers whol would like free trips from you.
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Post by fintasticinc on Dec 27, 2011 23:36:20 GMT -5
I guarantee LEGAL Grouper on all of my offshore trips, and in the past 14 years fishing clients offshore I have not yet had to give a free trip. I have a guarantee of a full boat limit of Red Snapper when they are in season or that trip is free.
The reason- Well its pretty simple really. There are tons of people that call themselves charter Capts in this area, and these guarantees are there just to set my business apart from the people that are, well, lets just say "paper Captains".
I have been taking clients offshore fishing for a long time and as long as I can get offshore I know where I need to go to get what my client wants to catch, be it, Yellowtail snapper, Jacks, Grouper, Kingfish, Red Snapper, or whatever else they might have a fancy for. I have seen the "no fish no pay" stuff on many sites, and it is what it is. My guarantees are point blank, and very specific.
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If you are a good charter captain, you'd have more confidence in your ability to get your customers on the fish.